To Find Out If The Pursuit Of “Thin Blue Smoke” All For Not, I’m Doing A Clean VS Dirty Smoke Big Green Egg Brisket Head to Head to Find Out Which Is BEST. Let me know if you’re team clean smoke or team dirty smoke in the comments before the big reveal.
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Chapters
00:00 – Chasing Blue Smoke Is A Waste Of Time?
03:08 – Brisket Head 2 Head Prep & Seasoning
04:01 – Cold 2 Hot Smoke Double Indirect Options For BGE, KJ etc.
09:30 – Cooking With Blue OR White Smoke Tips
14:30 – How To Pull Off The “Hot Hold” Overnight Brisket Rest
17:05 – Results & Brisket Slicing
19:19 – Blind Taste Test
24:30 – Recap what to try
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Clean VS Dirty Smoke Big Green Egg Brisket Battle Proved Me WRONG!
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I feel like thin blue smoke is thicker than what you called thin blue smoke. Yeah it's likely relative and everyone has their own definition… Even with that, what I've found to be thin blue smoke on an offset, pellet, gas grill with smoke box is that a bit thicker than invisible… But harder (not impossible) to see in some lighting.
With that being said, I realize I'm talking about added pellets w/ wood chips, added wood chunks, or a smoke box full of wood chips. I really like to get them lit well so they are whispy.
Thanks for doing this, James. I've changed how I cook on the offsets – but now being able to do it on the kamado cookers means even more ways to get great brisket!
What about dirty smoke on an offset vs the BGE kettle?
I missed it. How did you keep dirty smoke dirty.?
I have a question after watching a few of your recent videos. I am planning a Brisket cook on the July 4th weekend using my XL BGE and I would like to try some of your methods. I plan on using the double deflected and putting the brisket up high however my questions are temperature related. 1) When I start with just wood for white smoke for a couple of hours, what kind of temp should i expect on the dome during that portion? 2) would you recommend the 200-220f range for the rest of the cook? 3) if I choose to use a keep it heated over night, what temp would you set your heat box to for the hold? Thanks in advance.
I am confused by this video.. I watched this video twice and I didn’t see how hot you brought the temperature up after the cold smoke. The video skips to taking off for hot hold at 195 degrees.
With additional charcoal and wood it seems it could get too hot in a hurry..
That's interesting that you say the fat dripping smoke is bad smoke, maybe bc the fat drippings contain garlic and pepper. I always keep a drip tray below my brisket, but I will put some of the brisket fat trimmings on my wood that I burn. It gives an additional smoke flavor (that "flame broiled" burger king smoke)
You mention using the hot hold at 190-195 for the flat but I don't how to do that. When it goes in the oven, is the oven on at 170? Is it off? Is there a video on that? Thank you.
Hello. Why don’t I get an answer to my question? I’m looking forward to hearing back from you .. warm regards
Ive been watching for years, great vids. I have a large BGE. You are slightly over complicating the indirect method set up for the large. I use the half moons on the bottom of the expander basket, add spacers with a large pizza stone, and a drip pan. Still have room to install the grills no issues.
I always think Smoking Dad has thoughtful and well researched recommendations. My concern is that he speaks very quickly while providing too much information to easily digest. Please slow down and remember many in our smoking community are not nearly as experienced as you are.
this guy puts me to sleep
Any commercial sources of non-kiln dried wood?
If you offer the solution for Kamado grills with the dual inderect method , like the Kamado Joe or others , can I also purchase it from Germany?
Does the sloroller not fit in the BGE's? If I switched to BGE I feel like I would keep that accessory. None the less, I always cook with that dirty smoke, me and my family love that strong smoke taste. Good job sir!
Dirty smoke all the way! I now "cold smoke" most meats on my Grill Dome. For example: cooking a tomahawk ribeye, I add wood chips (Apple currently my fav for this) and the ribeye when I am first warming up the grill. I take the ribeye off once the grill reaches BBQ temps. This really infuses the meat with delicious smoke!
I always have a more white smoke on my KJ, and have wondered why blue smoke is often touted. Thanks for showing I can quit worrying about thinner smoke.
What about smoke smell? Does this guide you in any way? I find more so than smoke color, I tend to rely on smoke smell. If it smells bad, it'll taste bad. If it smells light and sweet, then it'll taste great…assuming you can get the volume, which is tough to do when aiming for just blue smoke.
In my experience (100% of the time) heavy smoke when cold is the best. As Bar A seems to have shown people. There is no such thing as dirty smoke, it is all dirty. It is partial combustion. There is a thing called too much smoke as in how long it was in the smoke. Being that I am not a user of a ceramic model, do you regularly use wood like that and not charcoal?
Actually, this makes me wonder, could you smoke flavors closer to an offset in kettles and kamado's (more likely kettles since it'll consume more fuel), using binchotan and wood splits/chunks? The binchotan barely imparts flavor by itself, so most of any developed flavor should be coming from the splits/chunks. And that could likely be further developed with a spritz
Thanks, James. This is very interesting. I have a question and a comment.
1.) If I pull my brisket at 190-195 and put it in a warming oven (say, 150 degrees F), what's the maximum amount of time I can leave it in the oven? For instance, if I cook a brisket in the offset from, say, 10 am to 7 pm (just rough time) and it reaches 195, can I leave it in the warming oven for dinner the following day at, say, 5:00? Or is that too much time in the warming oven?
The idea of the dirty smoke vs clean smoke debate is really interesting. I, too, learned from the James Franklin school of bbq, so I always shot for the clean smoke. It was a little tricky in my offset with the size wood I was splitting to acheive that, but I did the best I could. A year after owning the offset I learned from a bbq class with Tuffy Stone that he cuts his wood with a miter saw to have much more manageable fires, which nearly always produces clean smoke. Doing this let was much easier to maintain the fire temp and reduce the cresote build up, etc., but I learned rather quickly that with shorter cooks (e.g., a whole chicken) it didn't have nearly the smoke profile as the bigger, dirtier producing splits would give. To be honest, I enjoyed the higher smoke profile that the bigger-and thus dirtier smoke- would produce. Perhaps after watching this video there's a happy medium where I can start with the bigger splits, and then halfway in or so I can switch to the smaller splits and maintain that fire a bit easier. As always, great video, and looking forward to the next.
One of the more useful and informative videos you have produced. I prefer a heavier smoke flavor. I sometimes put my brisket on before the kamado temperature is settled and have white smoke, but it doesn't last very long into the cook. I never felt it was too much smoke. I've often wondered if the kamado white smoke was different from an offset and you answered the question. I think the increased air flow in an offset changes many aspects of both smoke and heat, and comparisons between an offset and kamado are limited.
When u pull at 195 for overnight hot hold are u letting brisket cool before wrapping or wrapping right away?
I am glad to see the tide has turned, and dirty smoke is no longer a dirty word. Thank you for helping to debunk the blue smoke only myth. And thank you for emphasizing that especially in small backyard cookers, a little bit of flavoring wood goes a long way. Less is more, and hopefully other YouTubers will stop building big infernos in small cookers. The infernos waste fuel, create unsatisfactory temperatures, and generate inferior results. For you, coming to the big league and seeing was believing. And now you are doing a great service to backyard pit masters by sharing this experience. Thank you!
Feels like he's marketing to a different audience with a different message from the kamado Joe days… 🤔 Broke the US and changed 😢
I might have missed it, but when you added charcoal to the white smoke cooker, what temperature did you settle out in? 225~? 250?
I'm one who believes that the smoke you're using needs to depend on the meat and cook time.
Chicken for example cooks quickly. You put dirty smoke to it, it's going to taste dirty. For my briskets and beef ribs, I intentionally push for heavy smoke earlier in the cook but will taper it off later on. I shoot for a good hour or two of the "dirty" stuff before going for consistent thin blue.
Another caveat – I think it depends on the wood.
I get similar results throwing mesquite into the mix even going constant "thin blue," whereas cooking with white smoke with mesquite is going to make a really heavy smoke flavor.
I'm glad this is finally being said out loud on the internet. I've always cooked with some white smoke for the first few hours of the cook and then let it settle into the blue smoke for the rest. I have ALWAYS preferred this on brisket or pork butt.
Can you do a video where you cut a hole out of a welding blanket and drape it over your Kamado to see how much charcoal you save by adding your own insulation? You could weigh the charcoal amounts before and after though it won’t always be scientifically due to various charcoal sizes
You said the temperature of both Big green Egg was the same . How high was the temperature? This was not clearly visible on the video. I’m looking forward to hearing back from you .
what oven gloves can you recommend?
Nice. Pretty much how I’ve always preferred doing mine. Validated! 😅
Putting three eggs behind you makes you really look like a shill, my man. Did Kamado Joe make you control what was in your script?